Retro's Illegal?
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iJackson
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so your saying we can keep the same client etc. just make new charcters.
Why the hell do you want them to close?
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Im saying, Anything, other than Custom Furni made by Retro owners/users, is illegal inside of client.
Dzetki
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Erm, sorry to burst your bubble..No because we are not using their coded items. We are not using their servers or SWF's. We have coded them ourselves. So it is no ours.
Where do you think we got the SWFs from..? All has been ripped from habbo which is sulakes property. The customs aren't illegal however.
Also, alot of the retros are using images from habbo, which also can be classed as a copyright infringement. They also use habbos design at some CMSs.
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It is not our Images of SWF's. Those we stole from HabboNo because we are not using their coded items. We are not using their servers or SWF's. We have coded them ourselves. So it is no ours.
Moogly
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You don't know shit about rap or how copyright works. We're still using habbo's client, even if we change every image, all the code behind it is theirs, even if we re-code it all, it's still theirs. We'd have to have made a game entirely from scratch (not just rewrite the client) before it became legal. Only running the emulator is legal because it is not their copyright but the copyright of the people who devoted their time to make the emulators.No because we are not using their coded items. We are not using their servers or SWF's. We have coded them ourselves. So it is no ours.
Go read a book instead of listening to Lil Wayne, maybe you'll learn something.
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CMS's are also Legal.
Adidas
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Not all we can change..
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Im not saying all, but the ones that ARE from them, are illegal.
he was NL and his name was Justin..." i know him"
ontopic: Sulake can do something if they want realy to close ALL RETRO, all they need to to do is to close *****, kekomundo etc... all Forums talk about HABBO. like FBI did for Megaupload
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They can not close 0taku, Devbest, *****. Because, They are not illegal. Read the Forum's Terms of Service. here is Devbest's
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Heaplink
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The reason why it is illegal is because we use their images, SWFs and other material. Yes, the CMS' that uses Sulake's material (figures, banners etc.) No matter how you placed a figure or a item on a image, it is copyrighted material.
The client is the most copyright infringement when it comes to that. You not only use their copyrighted material of backend, frontend and images but also you use a cracked - which is not legal again - version of the client, where there were removed security against this.
As of the emulators - it depends how it was developed. Mostly it's not a violation, but it is a violation if you use the software against something that is not legal (e.g. making a private server to run the cracked files - The client etc.) It's like cheating applications that modifies another program without permission (hax) - The emulator it self is not a violation, but using it to run these things is a violation.
If you just have some SWFs that are Sulake's copyrighted material (and trust me, they have copyrighted anything) you could be investigated, if Sulake took the chance.
The reason why Sulake don't hunt every hotel, is because it costs money, time and a lot of work to do so - therefore mostly the "biggest" (most visitors and users) hotels get's warnings and can end up being sued.
And there's nothing that can help you, if you do get sued. Because you break the law.
Basically it's the same as making a hosting company or a file sharing website, and you uploaded illegal/unlicensed software without permission.
The client is the most copyright infringement when it comes to that. You not only use their copyrighted material of backend, frontend and images but also you use a cracked - which is not legal again - version of the client, where there were removed security against this.
As of the emulators - it depends how it was developed. Mostly it's not a violation, but it is a violation if you use the software against something that is not legal (e.g. making a private server to run the cracked files - The client etc.) It's like cheating applications that modifies another program without permission (hax) - The emulator it self is not a violation, but using it to run these things is a violation.
If you just have some SWFs that are Sulake's copyrighted material (and trust me, they have copyrighted anything) you could be investigated, if Sulake took the chance.
The reason why Sulake don't hunt every hotel, is because it costs money, time and a lot of work to do so - therefore mostly the "biggest" (most visitors and users) hotels get's warnings and can end up being sued.
And there's nothing that can help you, if you do get sued. Because you break the law.
Actually, if there's threads about software/files that are copyrighted or have a license it is actually - no matter who made the thread the site is distributing this.
Basically it's the same as making a hosting company or a file sharing website, and you uploaded illegal/unlicensed software without permission.
Moogly
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Depends on where you live, in some places forum admins / owners aren't held responsible for what their users post. Although with all these SOPA-like bills which don't seem to be passed for copyright but for censorship (the government keeps pushing these censorship-level SOPA-like bills) who knows what's changed, I can't be fucked looking at every stupid bill now.
Samalan
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Retros are illegal but they won't sue every single one however they will try and get them shut down. We are using most of their content, their client alone as said above - whether or not it has been edited, it is still copyrighted to Sulake. The most trouble you will get in to is getting your retro shut down however they cannot afford to sue the retros as it will cost loads of money. So you don't need to worry about any of that however if they have sent you a warning to get your retro shut down and you don't then I am unsure whether or not they actually take you to court or not...
Except the fact they gather some images from Habbo's webbuild which costs up Habbo's bandwidth.
I.. I was about to end it but. Okay.
The code aren't all theirs, considering the fact they don't even originated PHP. Except the fact that the method where the code fetches data was theirs, we cannot blame other games like Fresbo World to have something alike to their client too (which I can prove, however the way they fetch the data was different but the structure can be considered 25% alike).
Moogly
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Not the code we write, just the client / images / code Sulake wrote.
However, making money off of it is illegal.
Moogly
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If I write an emulator I can't get arrested for that.In full they are illegal. We do not need to chop down what is illegal or not as it is quite obvious it's more illegal than legal.
There's a reason the official websites to gameboy / super nintendo emulators are still up, but the games (in our case the client files) are what get you into shit if you host them. - Status
