Cyclone - HTML5 Engine [TypeScript, Phaser, React, SocketIO, MultiDB]

[LaPatron]

You do know how contradicting it is what is being stated than right? One person says everyone can become a developer and contribute, but your only precaution is proper vetting of people. How? How are you going to check if nobody is going to leak the source?

When we first started it was me and Sapphire would could let someone in, and after that the 3 of us make the call, and 4 after that and so on.. so we make this as a group as to who can be trusted. Moreover, there is no motive to leak, everyone who has the source has put in a considerable amount of work and it would make no sense for them to leak their own work, and if that's not enough - everyone who has the source has voted closed source. If you have the skill and you can be trusted, you're in, and the same goes if you have the skill and you reverse engineer, good luck.

We are also making rapid progress, which we will be posting an update about soon and the closer we get to finishing the less new people will be needed as the project will be finished and therefore this will not be an issue. With how we're going to check, the developers who have the source are all close to each other, we spends hours a day on calls and talk every single day about topics that aren't even related to Cyclone, gaming together, and we have that trust element as friends beyond the development of Cyclone, infact some of us even worked on previous projects together that were closed source - so again past experiences with each other help.

 

[Joe]

When we first started it was me and Sapphire would could let someone in, and after that the 3 of us make the call, and 4 after that and so on.. so we make this as a group as to who can be trusted. Moreover, there is no motive to leak, everyone who has the source has put in a considerable amount of work and it would make no sense for them to leak their own work, and if that's not enough - everyone who has the source has voted closed source. If you have the skill and you can be trusted, you're in, and the same goes if you have the skill and you reverse engineer, good luck.

We are also making rapid progress, which we will be posting an update about soon and the closer we get to finishing the less new people will be needed as the project will be finished and therefore this will not be an issue. With how we're going to check, the developers who have the source are all close to each other, we spends hours a day on calls and talk every single day about topics that aren't even related to Cyclone, gaming together, and we have that trust element as friends beyond the development of Cyclone, infact some of us even worked on previous projects together that were closed source - so again past experiences with each other help.

It’s a matter of time before somebody who’s ‘trusted’ decides to sell or leak this due to complications down the line in my opinion. Then the project could be in some jeopardy.

 

[Weasel]

When we first started it was me and Sapphire would could let someone in, and after that the 3 of us make the call, and 4 after that and so on.. so we make this as a group as to who can be trusted. Moreover, there is no motive to leak, everyone who has the source has put in a considerable amount of work and it would make no sense for them to leak their own work, and if that's not enough - everyone who has the source has voted closed source. If you have the skill and you can be trusted, you're in, and the same goes if you have the skill and you reverse engineer, good luck.

We are also making rapid progress, which we will be posting an update about soon and the closer we get to finishing the less new people will be needed as the project will be finished and therefore this will not be an issue. With how we're going to check, the developers who have the source are all close to each other, we spends hours a day on calls and talk every single day about topics that aren't even related to Cyclone, gaming together, and we have that trust element as friends beyond the development of Cyclone, infact some of us even worked on previous projects together that were closed source - so again past experiences with each other help.

So the previous statement of attracting random good developers is bullshit and it's simply a group of closely knit people. You still didn't answer my question on how you decide if someone is trustworthy.

In all honesty I'm getting more and more doubt about this project, but mainly due to the contradicting statements by the people involved.

 

[LaPatron]

It’s a matter of time before somebody who’s ‘trusted’ decides to sell or leak this due to complications down the line in my opinion. Then the project could be in some jeopardy.

That maybe true, but from what has happened so far there have been no issues between the people who actually code on the project, everyone is in a mutual agreement. With regards to selling it, if someone was to sell it, then it wouldn't make any sense as the rest of us would release the free alternative, so there would be no gain. And for those who wanted Open Source, then they could have easily expressed that in the vote but no one has till date, and no one expressed a regret of it.

And we really hope it doesn't come to that, not just about the development but friendship wise.

So the previous statement of attracting random good developers is bullshit and it's simply a group of closely knit people. You still didn't answer my question on how you decide if someone is trustworthy.

In all honesty I'm getting more and more doubt about this project, but mainly due to the contradicting statements by the people involved.

No, everyone is welcome to join, as long as they're ok with the project remaining close source and actually being able to contribute, and while we know each other very well this is largely after working on them with Cyclone, not because we know of them previously*, the people that have worked together in the past are those from the projects Cyclone has merged with and usually there is one or two from each project.

And the second part, who could be trustworthy, simple have a good standing with the community or not be involved in any leak of other projects and have previous examples of projects to prove their ability.

* i.e. the users lBebe and lElectro (on our Discord) are from another project that Cyclone has merged with, we didn't know of them previously but based on the factors mentioned above, we went ahead and it worked out great and now we're all very close, the same goes for Bobba and etc.

 

[Joe]

We could go back and forth all day I suppose. I just think it’ll work out better in the long run if this is open source.

I wish you all the best with the project though, it’s nice to see some development going on that isn’t a huge flop

 

[Weasel]

That maybe true, but from what has happened so far there have been no issues between the people who actual code on the project, everyone is a mutual agreement. With regards to selling it, if someone was to sell it, then it wouldn't make any sense as the rest of us would release the free alternative, so there would be no gain. And for those who wanted Open Source, then they could have easily expressed that in the vote but no one has till date, and no one expressed a regret of it.

Wait what, how would that not make sense? The moment he sells it, he's in. He has the money. What does that person care if you make it open sourced afterwards? I'd actually applaud it then.

No, everyone is welcome to join, as long as they're ok with the project remaining close source and actually being able to contribute, and while we know each other very well this is largely after working on them with Cyclone, not because we know of them previously*, the people that have worked together in the past are those from the projects Cyclone has merged with and usually there is one or two from each project.

And the second part, who could be trustworthy, simple have a good standing with the community or not be involved in any leak of other projects and have previous examples of projects to prove their ability.

* i.e. the users lBebe and lElectro (on our Discord) are from another project that Cyclone has merged with, we didn't know of them previously but based on the factors mentioned above, we went ahead and it worked out great and now we're all very close, the same goes for Bobba and etc.

A good standing in a community says nothing.

 

[LaPatron]

Wait what, how would that not make sense? The moment he sells it, he's in. He has the money. What does that person care if you make it open sourced afterwards? I'd actually applaud it then.



A good standing in a community says nothing.

It makes no sense since we have always stated that Cyclone will be free, useless people wanted the source, and anyone thinking of buying it will see that we will open source afterwards and we have had many people already trying to do this on many of our private messages, but in all cases they were reported to the entire group and ignored, and we have had many discussions about selling it, and everyone refused as most of us are only doing this as a learning experience than a financial one.

With the good standing a community, only helps us judge the character but it isn't the only factor, as the best example would be Chris, although he argues with many people on these forums, we have ultimately decided to work with him despite his questionable standing in the community as we know he'll make it up with his work.

 

[Weasel]

It makes no sense since we have always stated that Cyclone will free, useless people wanted the source, and anyone thinking of buying it will see that we will open source afterwards and we have had many people already trying to do this on many of our private messages, but in all cases they were reported to the entire group and ignored, and we have had many discussions about selling it, and everyone refused as most of us are only doing this as a learning experience than a financial one.

With the good standing a community, only helps us judge the character but it isn't the only factor, as the best example would be Chris, although he argues with many people on these forums, we have ultimately decided to work with him despite his questionable standing in the community as we know he'll make it up with his work.

So if it's mostly a learning experience why make it closed source. Once more a contradicting statement.

As for working with Chris, he doesn't have a questionable standing in this community, everyone knows his work with Heroic and his efforts for the community, he just has an issue with following rules. So not sure which example you are trying to make here.

 

[LaPatron]

So if it's mostly a learning experience why make it closed source. Once more a contradicting statement.

As for working with Chris, he doesn't have a questionable standing in this community, everyone knows his work with Heroic and his efforts for the community, he just has an issue with following rules. So not sure which example you are trying to make here.

The reason for going closed source has been explained so many times, its been put to a vote and various voted for various reasons and ultimately we are following the outcome of the vote.

The example would again be not following rules as you stated, and we have rules too some of which he agrees with and some of which he doesn't which makes him a questionable candidate, but due to his work ethic that no one can deny, we worked with him and have no problems since, infact he has provided us with alot of advice on a great range of things. So while having a good standing with the community helps, it isn't the deciding factor.

Again if it helps, many of the Developers that work now aren't that well known in any community (therefore not having a good standing with the community - to vouch for them), yet here we are.

 

[mxtt]

Your team is talented, there's no question about that, but saying "anyone" can join your team is clearly over exaggerating your boundary conditions - they can join if they're well known in the community and if everyone on your team trusts them.
You've stated both of the above which contradict each other as Wess said, but from any point of view we can see Cyclone will stay closed source (due to the amount that voted for it) and gaining access to the source is no easy task.
No guarantee someone in your crew might have some misunderstandings in the future and leak the source, especially when complete and stable.

I still disagree with decisions you have made as a team and earlier mishaps but notably and most importantly you've all stuck by each other and we could do with a team project that continuously pushes their collaborative ideas forward, together.

Good luck and for the benefit of everyone I hope the back and forth bickering about decisions which have already been made stops.

 

[Laynester]

You do know how contradicting it is what is being stated than right? One person says everyone can become a developer and contribute, but your only precaution is proper vetting of people. How? How are you going to check if nobody is going to leak the source?

can i also add they they doxxed someone who tried to “leak this” just a fair point.

 

[Platinum]

can i also add they they doxxed someone who tried to “leak this” just a fair point.

Seems like you only comment on this thread whenever you feel like there is a chance to instigate. If you only have allegations to make rather than giving suggestions or providing feedback about Cyclone, then perhaps you should reconsider saying anything at all. This applies to anyone else.

 

[GizmoHabbobba]

I mean you can just go ahead and say your putting a backdoor in it. Sorry, but not sorry if you close source it smart serious hotel owners aren't gonna use it they will wait and jump to the next best thing, first chance. Can't see boon letting 10 cyclone devs just have a back door into there database same with other big hotels. Don't you see why you are butchering this project before you even finished it. Still neat project to look at from a far.

 

[LaPatron]

I mean you can just go ahead and say your putting a backdoor in it. Sorry, but not sorry if you close source it smart serious hotel owners aren't gonna use it they will wait and jump to the next best thing, first chance. Can't see boon letting 10 cyclone devs just have a back door into there database same with other big hotels. Don't you see why you are butchering this project before you even finished it. Still neat project to look at from a far.

Cool, they're more than welcome to use an alternative, again assumptions will remain assumptions - not facts, you talk like you know we have exploits in there kinda hard to make that statement without the source?

Oh and welcome to Devbest.

 

[GizmoHabbobba]

Bro your full of it if you say you aren't gonna back door it. I think people would be mental to believe you aren't gonna do that. If you don't release the source how is anyone supposed to know ofc they won't only you will lolz so it's easy from your perspective to say those words and talk your talk. But I think we all got good reasoning for concern here. Every other comment from the people on this thread is Dox and closed source besides the devs stating update announcements. Sorry for the concern in the air. No one was supposed to know about arcturus's back door till someone cracked it and proved it.

 

[LaPatron]

Bro your full of it if you say you aren't gonna back door it. I think people would be mental to believe you aren't gonna do that. If you don't release the source how is anyone supposed to know ofc they won't only you will lolz so it's easy from your perspective to say those words and talk your talk.

I could say the same, you're full of it for believing in something you haven't seen? And by the same logic how would you know we have exploits if we haven't even released anything yet (for this fictional back door to exist and us to take advantage of)? It's also a group project, so even if one person would want to exploit like you say, you'd have convince everyone to accept it or hope it goes unnoticed.

But I think we all got good reasoning for concern here. Every other comment from the people on this thread is Dox and closed source besides the devs stating update announcements. Sorry for the concern in the air. No one was supposed to know about arcturus's back door till someone cracked it and proved it.

Allegations with no proof, doesn't mean the truth if you believe it go for it, couldn't care less if you aren't smart enough to understand the difference between a proven fact and 4 kids screaming something because they are mad.

Bottom line, don't trust it? Don't use it, we're not begging you to.

 

[GizmoHabbobba]

Fair statement but when someone finds that backdoor when they crack it when you do release it I think I will be due for an apology ^^

 

[LaPatron]

Fair statement but when someone finds that backdoor when they crack it when you do release it I think I will be due for an apology ^^

Not when, if: "cracking" it and having an exploit - you seem to have convinced yourself about a fair deal of things, and I think even if it was to be cracked, or years go by without an exploit, you'll find it that you'll owe us an apology for making all these assumptions.

 

[GizmoHabbobba]

Not when, if: "cracking" it and having an exploit - you seem to have convinced yourself about a fair deal of things, and I think even if it was to be cracked, or years go by without an exploit, you'll find it that you'll owe us an apology for making all these assumptions.

If i'm wrong sure. But keeping it closed source definitely leaves room for lots of secrets. That you can't deny, I'm not trying to tell people to not use it or anything. But I think people should be aware with my comments. There is a possibility of a backdoor. If you don't open source it. People should have the right to assume the worst. I think You would feel the same way if the tables where turned.

 

[LaPatron]

If i'm wrong sure. But keeping it closed source definitely leaves room for lots of secrets. That you can't deny, I'm not trying to tell people to not use it or anything. But I think people should be aware with my comments. There is a possibility of a backdoor. If you don't open source it. People should have the right to assume the worst. I think You would feel the same way if the tables where turned.

Can't deny the possibility, but can deny it actually happening tho, the rest will leave it for you to decide.