Codeless Web Design

Can you be a Web Developer AND Web Designer?


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svviift

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Introducing,



Now, you're more than likely going to have adobe's subscription service to be familiar with this programme, It's fairly new and still very much in development. Anyway, here's one of my favourite sites I've seen, chosen by Adobe for a 'Site of the day' reward, just so you've not lost interest if you haven't heard about muse ;)





There's the age old debate of "Can you be a web developer and web designer?" - As a graphic designer myself, I say yes. Of course you can, it was web development that more or less lead me into graphic design at least five years ago in the first place, and now I'm self employed and in the process of setting up a 'collective', a group of designers specialising in all elements of Media, including fashion. That's a different story, and very far into the future in terms of being launched, but still, my point is, if it wasn't for making images for banners online, I wouldn't have had such a passion for graphics (thanks Habbo, I knew I wasn't wasting my life...). Muses purpose is purely for designers who want to practice web design and for web designers to codelessly create a site.

Web development can be easy or difficult to learn, it's all a matter of dedication and practice. Anything I've ever done has usually be self taught or through trial and error looking through guides. I had briefly completed sections to do with HTML/CSS on . I'm handy at HTML and CSS but I've never quite found myself with the time nor dedication to learn any languages fully, some basic PHP and Javascript but no where near enough to be able to create a modern site from scratch. Another issue with Muse in fact is because it's codeless, if you plan on selling your sites, you'll need to keep a hold of the files incase your client wants updates, or hope they've got and know how to use muse themselves, as far as I'm aware, you can export to HTML, however I'm not 100% on it's efficiency, and it's much easier to use FTP to upload directly to a server.

Arguably, I've not designed too many layouts either, as I stayed clear from Habbo/Retro fansites and have never really stuck to being on Habbo or a retro for very long, only over long periods of free time where i've had no other plans but to stay indoors with an internet connection. I must say, without sounding big headed, my designs have been shit hot and really boosted my portfolios strength.

Back to the point though, codeless web design is now a thing (has been for a fair while), and I mean HIGH QUALITY web design, sorry Weebly, your sites suck, you can always tell when a sites drag and drop built. End of story.

For those who haven't seen Muse (don't take my screenshot as an impression, check ), but are now interested, let me just say this. It's very unclear if you have no web knowledge, and it's tools aren't exactly powerful when you don't know the programme. It also is missing quite a few things code has the advantage over, such as transitional fades, and most importantly (to me) Responsive Design. Although, this is an upcoming design, thankfully. Defiant at first, when I was introduced to Muse, I closed it, opened Dreamweaver and stared at the beautiful lines of code that gave a rewarding feeling of accomplishment. This is what I feel Muse does... It nulls the reward of coding a site for me.

However, like all Adobe programmes, invest your time, and you learn the software easily, and can create some beautiful looking sites. Sites you wouldn't be able to tell were built by drag and drop boxes and frames.

So I have a few questions after briefly describing the software...

1. Has anyone used Muse, if so, do you code - and, if you do, has it replaced using code to create sites?
2. What do you all make of the idea of this software, if you haven't used it, it could seem very farfetched to web developers (trust me, I hated on it) but now I'm starting to experiment and learn it, I'm falling in love with how quickly I can build a website that looks and works amazing.
3. Can you be a web designer and a web developer? (I'm sorry, it had to be done, I'd love to see if people agree with me or not!)

*apologies if this is not very well structured, it was late, I'll try to update some structure later in the morning*
 
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Sysode

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I've played around with Muse here and there, though I haven't done any full-scale project using the software.

It follows a very similar pattern of every front-end focused software out there (dreamweaver etc) in the way that it's shit messy when it comes to creating the site. The markup will never be as clean a typical front-end developer can get it and it never takes into account things such as image optimization, compressing code and so on. From the little experience I have of using it, it's definitely more focused around graphic only designers - in a way which makes it acceptable for smaller sites but larger projects it'll most likely be more of a pain.
 

brsy

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I've played around with Muse here and there, though I haven't done any full-scale project using the software.

It follows a very similar pattern of every front-end focused software out there (dreamweaver etc) in the way that it's shit messy when it comes to creating the site. The markup will never be as clean a typical front-end developer can get it and it never takes into account things such as image optimization, compressing code and so on. From the little experience I have of using it, it's definitely more focused around graphic only designers - in a way which makes it acceptable for smaller sites but larger projects it'll most likely be more of a pain.
I agree; I'm pretty sure Adobe's target audience is graphic designers, because no programmer in their right mind would use this to create a large project, just for the fact of how messy the output code is.
 

Sysode

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I agree; I'm pretty sure Adobe's target audience is graphic designers, because no programmer in their right mind would use this to create a large project, just for the fact of how messy the output code is.
Exactly. I know for a fact that if I handed over a design (using this software) to my developer, he'd probably just laugh and ask for a proper front-end.
 

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